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As a longtime LW reader (and even early (small) MIRI donor!) I'm broadly sympathetic to the ideas here, but I find it harder to dismiss the skeptics' concerns. Like, suppose you thought international cooperation was hopeless (a common view) and also thought AI dangers were imminent (also a common view). Maybe violence does nothing to alter the long-term trajectory…but could it buy a month or two of normalcy for your loved ones? What if that's all that can be done? Arguably, at that point fretting about our democratic institutions has already become irrelevant. MIRI's "death with dignity" pseudo-slogan leaves open the question of what counts as dignity. Empirically, for many humans, going down in a futile blaze of glory is an archetypal case of preserving one's dignity! Personally I see the honor in *not* going down that path, but I think that requires a bunch of extra steps that are not inherent in the reasonable AI safety worries themselves. So it just seems like an uncomfortable reality that the prospect of violence will always be lingering in the background.

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"terrorism is empirically wrong" is one of the worst arguments on the planet. Nobody remembers the successful cases of terrorism, because 'terrorism' is a descriptive label; the cases that succeed end up rebranded as liberators post-hoc.

Witholding violence as an option is *necessary* to build a truth aligned society, but not *sufficient*. Although many truths are easier to convey and propagate in the absence of violence, there are certain truths which are inherently harder to disseminate in its absence (safe example: importance of military defense).

I think the deontological reason is the only real reason. EA/Safety doesn't bomb datacenters, because they don't like violence.

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